#  So utterly delighted to have been on the Ezra Klein Show! 

 





June 09, 2023

 

 

 So, it was a dream come true to have [this conversation ](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/opinion/ezra-klein-kristen-ghodsee.html)about *Everyday Utopia* with the amazing Ezra Klein. You can read the full transcript [here](/file_url/721).

 ![Ezra Klein Kristen Ghodsee](/sites/g/files/omnuum3566/files/kristenghodsee/files/ezra_klein_show_ghodsee.jpg)

 



 

 

 



 

 

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